Rogue Job Tree

[lunarsapphire]

One thing; We don't have to buy arrows, do we?
Not that I'll change classes, just want to know.

Arrows are free of charge as in, no arrows are needed

wrong, but close, arrows cost mana, not sure how much since i dont use them but i am sure they use up mana

They use 2mp per arrow which.. you stop noticing by level 20 or so.

[ronblade]

wow i never thought there so many rogue >:D range or close combat cheer ^^

[war_mage]

how do i add my point when i level for rogue???

[dolphinluv]

Hmm, I can't seem to find bleed as a skill under my tab. I'm a 51 Thief

Was Rogue -> Ruffian -> Thief

[lunarsapphire]

Hmm, I can't seem to find bleed as a skill under my tab. I'm a 51 Thief

Was Rogue -> Ruffian -> Thief

Bleed isn't a skill by itself. It's an added effect of other skills, such as dusking slash/rapid slashing, and wind breaking.

[lindalin85]

i <3 bleeding skills XD

[marquiel]

Rouges are the quickest attackers.
They are good for attacking and dodging rather than the others.
They can neither use small swords with is called daggers or bows.
Bows can consume mana power while attacking.
And there are powerful with critical attacks
Races of Rouges
Human rouges are skilled with daggers(small swords)
Elf Rouges are skilled with bows

[lindalin85]

Rouges are the quickest attackers.
They are good for attacking and dodging rather than the others.
They can neither use small swords with is called daggers or bows.
Bows can consume mana power while attacking.
And there are powerful with critical attacks
Races of Rouges
Human rouges are skilled with daggers(small swords)
Elf Rouges are skilled with bows

i disagree w/ the last line >.> im a bow+dagger >.> thats wat scouts r for >.>

[nocturnum]

Human bow rogues tend to do alright as well with their dmg increase skill.

[sephiroth]

Human bow rogues tend to do alright as well with their dmg increase skill.

Just one biggy problem, they seem to die relevently fast against Other classes in PVP(Like Elven Daggers during they're lower levels). I guess sneak will make up for that? But they can't range while sneaking, or can they? Someone PM me that answer if someone has it ;"o.

Other than that, they solo pretty well, and do GVG welll when they catch they're enemies before the enemy catches them x').

[omgsasuke]

Hi, I just recently started Luna. I was wondering what way I should go with my Rouge Elf if I want to be full dagger. He's at lvl 13 so not much longer before his first class change.

[sephiroth]

@Omgsasuke and anyone else interested in making a Dagger Elven Rogue.

Sasuke I suggest you check my links in my signature, but before you decide human or elven I suggest you check out the Human Vs. Elf Calculations(My signature link #1). Than when you've decided, and if you decide to go Elven(Which is a hard route and hard way to commit and grind to achieve) Feel free to check my SSS DoT DD Dagger Elven Rogue guide Listed as #0 on my signature links, the very first Link/Guide/#.

Hi, I just recently started Luna. I was wondering what way I should go with my Rouge Elf if I want to be full dagger. He's at lvl 13 so not much longer before his first class change.

[omgsasuke]

@Omgsasuke and anyone else interested in making a Dagger Elven Rogue.

Sasuke I suggest you check my links in my signature, but before you decide human or elven I suggest you check out the Human Vs. Elf Calculations(My signature link #1). Than when you've decided, and if you decide to go Elven(Which is a hard route and hard way to commit and grind to achieve) Feel free to check my SSS DoT DD Dagger Elven Rogue guide Listed as #0 on my signature links, the very first Link/Guide/#.

Hi, I just recently started Luna. I was wondering what way I should go with my Rouge Elf if I want to be full dagger. He's at lvl 13 so not much longer before his first class change.

Ok i read your guide on the SSS, I just upgraded to Ruffian. I saw that I shouldn't get Perforate because I'm not human. Why not? I got it before I read that part. What I want to know is why. It's an amazing skill lol. I nearly kill anything I'm fighting with one hit. Please enlighten me.

[sephiroth]

Ok i read your guide on the SSS, I just upgraded to Ruffian. I saw that I shouldn't get Perforate because I'm not human. Why not? I got it before I read that part. What I want to know is why. It's an amazing skill lol. I nearly kill anything I'm fighting with one hit. Please enlighten me.

Simply because, futurely you get better damage skills, and the SP used on Perforate could be used elsewhere. Even for Humans it becomes somewhat useless later on since they get more damaging skills themselves, but its much more useful to humans since they're big damage dealers. Elvens, on the other hand would be focusing on Disabling, and keeping people on check(By on check I mean keeping them being disabled xD).

Oh and well, as they're on check, your guild mates will be killing them. For PVP's you will be heavily relying on keeping them stunned, timing your stuns, and keeping them like that. While doing damage from the Stun first damage, and using DoTs and whatnots to keep them damaged, its like them unable to do anything and dying slowly Muwhahaha .

And well, you need SP to attain most of the Disabling skills, and maximizing they're effectiveness by upgrading them(Not maxing them, just enough to get a High %% chance to disable and that is all we're looking for, while retaining SP for Passives skills and Buffs that raise stat to ensure your superiority).

[omgsasuke]

Ok i read your guide on the SSS, I just upgraded to Ruffian. I saw that I shouldn't get Perforate because I'm not human. Why not? I got it before I read that part. What I want to know is why. It's an amazing skill lol. I nearly kill anything I'm fighting with one hit. Please enlighten me.

Simply because, futurely you get better damage skills, and the SP used on Perforate could be used elsewhere. Even for Humans it becomes somewhat useless later on since they get more damaging skills themselves, but its much more useful to humans since they're big damage dealers. Elvens, on the other hand would be focusing on Disabling, and keeping people on check(By on check I mean keeping them being disabled xD).

Oh and well, as they're on check, your guild mates will be killing them. For PVP's you will be heavily relying on keeping them stunned, timing your stuns, and keeping them like that. While doing damage from the Stun first damage, and using DoTs and whatnots to keep them damaged, its like them unable to do anything and dying slowly Muwhahaha .

And well, you need SP to attain most of the Disabling skills, and maximizing they're effectiveness by upgrading them(Not maxing them, just enough to get a High %% chance to disable and that is all we're looking for, while retaining SP for Passives skills and Buffs that raise stat to ensure your superiority).

Ah, I see. I don't think I will be doing much PvP unless I get into a good guild or feel like kicking someone's arse. xD I'm guessing that if I had went the other route for lv 20 job change I would more likely become bow yes? I also noticed you said Humans are good at early lvling. I beg to differ I've only played the game a couple days, maybe not even 10 hours of game time and I'm already lvl 24 bout to get my black wings. Buuut I am using the extra exp buff. xD So idk I guess that's considered cheating if we're gonna compare that right? lol. Oh and how do I get my pic to come up on the post?

[sephiroth]

Ah, I see. I don't think I will be doing much PvP unless I get into a good guild or feel like kicking someone's arse. xD I'm guessing that if I had went the other route for lv 20 job change I would more likely become bow yes? I also noticed you said Humans are good at early lvling. I beg to differ I've only played the game a couple days, maybe not even 10 hours of game time and I'm already lvl 24 bout to get my black wings. Buuut I am using the extra exp buff. xD So idk I guess that's considered cheating if we're gonna compare that right? lol. Oh and how do I get my pic to come up on the post?

You mean your Avatar? Go to User Control Panel,
Located where it says:

Board Index < Luna Online Chit Chat < Class Discussion < Rogue
User Control Panel ( # new messages + View your posts

It should Look something similiar to above, and click User Control Panel. Than select Avatar, and upload your avatar or pick from the gallery. Btw, By Early, I meant from level 1-75 or even 1-105.

Because if you go elven, and follow my guide, it takes a while to get to 40, and takes even longer from 40-75 since Scouts don't have very much attack skills(Your best friend will be Wind Breaker) And when you hit 75 you have to continue to RuneWalker(If you want to go Suggested path) which sucks some more, since you don't really get any new attack skills either xD... Until 105 when you turn Entrapper thats when you start to own a bit x").

And for PVP, don't even bother with PVP(Under level 105 before Entrapper) unless you want to practice "Rinse and Repeat" with one stun skill.

[nocturnum]

@Omgsasuke and anyone else interested in making a Dagger Elven Rogue.

Sasuke I suggest you check my links in my signature, but before you decide human or elven I suggest you check out the Human Vs. Elf Calculations(My signature link #1). Than when you've decided, and if you decide to go Elven(Which is a hard route and hard way to commit and grind to achieve) Feel free to check my SSS DoT DD Dagger Elven Rogue guide Listed as #0 on my signature links, the very first Link/Guide/#.

Hi, I just recently started Luna. I was wondering what way I should go with my Rouge Elf if I want to be full dagger. He's at lvl 13 so not much longer before his first class change.

Ok i read your guide on the SSS, I just upgraded to Ruffian. I saw that I shouldn't get Perforate because I'm not human. Why not? I got it before I read that part. What I want to know is why. It's an amazing skill lol. I nearly kill anything I'm fighting with one hit. Please enlighten me.

A little bit different perspective, if you want it.

I took level 1 perforate on my Scout. I don't do pvp much, but Wind Breaking has become my main atk skill whether I am AoEing or 1v1ing, and there is just enough cooldown to allow lvl 1 rage step, levl 1 dusk slashing and level 1 perforate between those. When I AoE, I usually just wind break, run a bit, heal if i need to with lvl 1 nature aid, and then wind break again. But when I HAVE to 1v1 (i.e. against giants and cyclopses, unless I want to use a ton of pots), I like to Rage Step>Wind Breaking>Dusk Slashing>Perforate>'repeat'

I keep all my 1v1 skills at lvl 1 for now, they just add a little bit of extra dmg and sometimes stun when I am killing giants or cyclopses, which isn't often.

Also, Perforate uses alot of MP compared to the other skills. That was a major deterrent for me on my thief, that and Dusk Slashing becomes Rapid Slashing later and Perforate doesn't become anything as far as we know. All in all, I say to leave it as 1 if you take it at all and only bother using it in 1v1.

[sephiroth]

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Also, Perforate uses alot of MP compared to the other skills. That was a major deterrent for me on my thief, that and Dusk Slashing becomes Rapid Slashing later and Perforate doesn't become anything as far as we know. All in all, I say to leave it as 1 if you take it at all and only bother using it in 1v1.

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Why not just not get it at all? I mean all you really have to do is walk away for about half a second and cooldown is down for the other skills and use them over again. It becomes repetitive using the same three skills over and over, but I believe its worth the save of SP.

Thats why I advise not even getting Perforate. And for Nature's Aid, It's useful, but wastes SP yet again as said in my guides, but I guess thats better than Perforate x"). In the world where you can use pots, I don't think Nature's Aid is much of use in comparison to getting another disable skill, or a higher increase in a Buff skill that raises your stats x"). Than again, it's up to the player, but thats my Oppinion.

[nocturnum]

Why not just not get it at all? I mean all you really have to do is walk away for about half a second and cooldown is down for the other skills and use them over again. It becomes repetitive using the same three skills over and over, but I believe its worth the save of SP.

Thats why I advise not even getting Perforate. And for Nature's Aid, It's useful, but wastes SP yet again as said in my guides, but I guess thats better than Perforate x"). In the world where you can use pots, I don't think Nature's Aid is much of use in comparison to getting another disable skill, or a higher increase in a Buff skill that raises your stats x"). Than again, it's up to the player, but thats my Oppinion.

Well I got lvl 1 Perforate, because I hate straight hitting and even lvl 1 perforate does enough damage that it saves me about as much time as it would to just throw in another rage step or dusk slashing, except that those are both still cooling down. It's a personal preference and I still only use it in 1v1. As for Perforate using too much SP, it's 1 SP, I'm not worried. I already plan on reskilling at 75 and have been dumping SP into things that I won't need later on, so I'm not going to worry about that 1 SP. Nature's Aid though, I like alot. I very rarely ever have to pot, seriously. After every AoE mob (or it's been about 2-3 lately), just cast lvl 1 Nature Aid and I'm virtually healed to full again. I have right now about 600 High HP Potion, and I've never bought pots ever. I COULD use pots, but I like not HAVING to. Again, that's just a personal preference though. What I've found as a Scout is that you have 2 options;

Save the massive amount of SP you will probably have until 75, or
Find dump skills that will help you short-term and just plan to reskill later on.

I chose the latter, but long-term there's not much of a difference.

[sephiroth]

Well I got lvl 1 Perforate, because I hate straight hitting and even lvl 1 perforate does enough damage that it saves me about as much time as it would to just throw in another rage step or dusk slashing, except that those are both still cooling down. It's a personal preference and I still only use it in 1v1. As for Perforate using too much SP, it's 1 SP, I'm not worried. I already plan on reskilling at 75 and have been dumping SP into things that I won't need later on, so I'm not going to worry about that 1 SP. Nature's Aid though, I like alot. I very rarely ever have to pot, seriously. After every AoE mob (or it's been about 2-3 lately), just cast lvl 1 Nature Aid and I'm virtually healed to full again. I have right now about 600 High HP Potion, and I've never bought pots ever. I COULD use pots, but I like not HAVING to. Again, that's just a personal preference though. What I've found as a Scout is that you have 2 options;

Save the massive amount of SP you will probably have until 75, or
Find dump skills that will help you short-term and just plan to reskill later on.

I chose the latter, but long-term there's not much of a difference.

I see.. Makes some sense, its like saving time now, and paying itself later since your going to get a free restat/reskill anyways... Makes complete sense. But, the thing is, I don't want to make any mistakes at all, and save my Restat/Reskill for later on when ArchBreezer comes out for information, and than restat/reskill if needed.

And plus, sellig a restat/reskill will give me some money back for the potions used(Can someone say free 15million anyone?) xD...

[nocturnum]

I see.. Makes some sense, its like saving time now, and paying itself later since your going to get a free restat/reskill anyways... Makes complete sense. But, the thing is, I don't want to make any mistakes at all, and save my Restat/Reskill for later on when ArchBreezer comes out for information, and than restat/reskill if needed.

And plus, sellig a restat/reskill will give me some money back for the potions used(Can someone say free 15million anyone?) xD...

Well, the way I see it... Right now on Crescent, you can find Reskills for like 6m if you look long enough. That's nothing. I don't think at 100-145 that 6m will be that much, even if that inflates quite a bit I'm sure it will still be affordable by that time. I do completely understand that whole "not wanting to make a mistake" thing though, I get in moods like that when I play all my console RPGs and end up restarting several times before I get to the meat of the game. Trying to take this one with a little more of a lax attitude.

[sephiroth]

I see.. Makes some sense, its like saving time now, and paying itself later since your going to get a free restat/reskill anyways... Makes complete sense. But, the thing is, I don't want to make any mistakes at all, and save my Restat/Reskill for later on when ArchBreezer comes out for information, and than restat/reskill if needed.

And plus, sellig a restat/reskill will give me some money back for the potions used(Can someone say free 15million anyone?) xD...

Well, the way I see it... Right now on Crescent, you can find Reskills for like 6m if you look long enough. That's nothing. I don't think at 100-145 that 6m will be that much, even if that inflates quite a bit I'm sure it will still be affordable by that time. I do completely understand that whole "not wanting to make a mistake" thing though, I get in moods like that when I play all my console RPGs and end up restarting several times before I get to the meat of the game. Trying to take this one with a little more of a lax attitude.

XD, you better thank the Devs for inventing the Restat/Reskill XDDD... But yeah I get it, but it does save time though, and as everyone knows TIme is Money. Plus, if you can achieve something quickly, its much more willing and more fun rather than slowly doing things, dying in Morale and Will...

Which I am currently right now, I'm all guide this and guide that, but than now I'm slacking ingame and guide wise(On the work guide part). I'm just helping people out, slacking my way off the Guide I'm supposed to work on x").

[niokiniki]

I'm a rogue in Luna, but I find all these jobs so..

I dunno, confusing? XD I know Theif [obviously], but is there a site where I can learn more about the other jobs?

[sephiroth]

I'm a rogue in Luna, but I find all these jobs so..

I dunno, confusing? XD I know Theif [obviously], but is there a site where I can learn more about the other jobs?

What do you mean exactly? If you mean by the classes in the Rogue Area, whereas Example Runewalker, Entrapper, TreasureHunter, ArchBreezer, SoulEye, BloodStalker, and etc... Rogue Job Classes.

If you mean the other Classes, Like Mage, or Fighter perhaps, than feel free to check out the other class discussions. If you would like to weigh your options as a Rogue, feel free to check my Links. In my signature has One important Link for Dagger/Melee Rogue.

The Melee Rogue Skill Calculations: Elven vs. Human discussion where I put together FACTUAL information of both classes, attaining the best passives and buffs to maximize stats. Whereas Human get a Huge Damage increase and ASPD increase.

While Elven gains a large MP Pool(MP total) and a large MP regeneration. To Include a large variation of Party/Self Buffs, and a higher STAT end point(Better stats as proven in the Human vs. Elven Melee Rogue Calculations.

To include though, Human Dagger path is the easiest to grind from 1-105 In my Honest Opinion. However they don't end as Well stats like an Elven, and have less Disable Skills(Elven get 1 More Ranged Stunner, a Silencer/Sleeper skill that cast super fast, and a Immobolizing skill, and some other stuff).

Lastly though...

However, I must say Humans are not to be underestimated for we don't know what skills come out from BloodStalker, nor do we know what will come out of SoulEye/ArchBreezer(Archer Non Race Specific Class, and the second is Elven Race Specific dagger class).

Almost forgot to mention, For Elven the best Suitable class would be Disable-r Class(With a dagger, and can use bow if skilled enough to do it). While Human gets pure power, less disable and slower cast in comparison(When we're talking about disables, Elven gets Immobolize and Casting Foil).

Human also get Sneak very early, while Elven have to wait till 105(Suggested Path I mean, for best stats). For Archers, either is fine, but if you want to be perfect stats by end(Taking best passive route and skill route) its much easier to do with an Elven, and along the way you get an extra Range stunner(Illusion Attack, Humans don't get).

Oh, and of course you get those party buffs I mentioned earlier from going elven path towards Archer with best passives.

Heres the Suggested Job Paths:
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Elven Dagger Best Path(For Best Stats And Moderate Difficulty):
--Rogue(L.0) > Ruffian(L.20) > Scout(L.40) > RuneWalker(L.75) > Entrapper(L.105) > ArchBreezer(Lvl145)
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Elven Best Bow Path(For Both Stats, And Moderate Difficulty):
--Rogue(L.0) > Ruffian(L.20) > Scout(L.40) > RuneWalker(L.75) > Entrapper(L.105) > SoulEye(Lvl145)
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Human Dagger Best Path(For Both stats and Easyness):
--Rogue(L.0) > Ruffian(L.20) > Thief(L.40) > Assassin(L.75) > Entrapper(L.105) > BloodStalker(Lvl145)
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Human Best Bow Stats(Not Suggested, But best passive):
--Rogue(L.0) > Ruffian(L.20) > Thief(L.40) > Assassin(L.75) > Entrapper(L.105) > SoulEye(Lvl145).
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Archer/Human Suggested Bow Path(Not Best, but more Bow skils earlier):
--Rogue(L.0) > Ruffian(L.20) > Thief(L.40) > TreasureHunter/Archer*(L.75) > ArchRanger/Entrapper*(L.105) > SoulEye(Lvl145).
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Two Notes:

Note1: For Human Best Stat Archer/Bow Path... You will be using a Dagger for a long while with Dagger skills and whatnot Than at level 75 you will get a Free Reset Skill/Stat Scroll. Save that until you reach 105, where you become Entrapper and Gain most your Bow skills. When you hit Lvl 145(The hard one) you get all your bow skills back.

Note2: For Human Suggested Archer/Bow Path... You will use Regular DoubleShot for a long time, until you hit Level 75, In which case you could Dagger until 75, than use the reset stat/scroll right away and become an Archer Earlier, and grind at Moderate+.

Towards 105, You should be rocking, but the grind will still be hard, so Semi/Lightly-Hard.

My Personal Note: Elven is suited, as Scout has bow skills, if you wanted you can bow right at 40, which isn't hard to grind too in my honest oppinion, just require determination. Than from 40, you will get some bow up skills.

That will help you go on a Lightly Moderate path towards 75, Where you become RuneWalker. During RuneWalker, this is where you start to shine. You get FireArrow, A LOT better cooldown than IceRain(Archer Skill), and much better damage in my opinion.

To add you get your passive, and your buffs. And when partying, you have loads of party buffs to help everyone around you. Than when you hit 105, And become Entrapper you get two more AOEs. HunterBomb(Tied with FireArrow you become extremely powerful). Than HunterSmoke(A weaker AoE but can finish off alive monsters when your Mobbing).

Also, HunterSmoke, I feel it is necessary in GVG and against lots of players. It Slows they're movement speed down, and Does AoE. Doing this, than adding FA, than adding Illusion and whatnot will make you a force to be reckoned with.

I highly Suggest Elven for all of these reasons, as your BEST path towards Passive Bonuses, you also get Bow skills, making the Grind at Moderate, than Slighty harder than moderate when you hit 105, going towards your Final Goal, SoulEye(And return and improve all your bow skills).

[crispydude358]

I made an elf dagger and he wanted to be theif, but i found out once level 30 already i cant be theif, being tht i dont like to redo long things and i love him, can i get stealth later or is tht a human rogue ability only?